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Was the 9/11 – WTC a 3rd Millennia Sacrifice to Dis Pater?
Or Was it a Warning Message to Me and You from God?
What lesson do I choose to learn?:
1. Trust? OR 2. Fear?
(Cf. Job 1 & 2 and Revelation 18!)
Who is Dis Pater?
What is idem sonans?
What’s the Definition of “this State?”
Dis Pater or Dispater; abbr. Dis:
Aka Sky father, father in heaven, god of the Roman and Celtic underworld, god of Hades, god of death, Jupiter, Pluto.
Sacrifices were offered to this altar during the Ludi Saeculares
or Ludi Tarentini.
“The Secular Games were a religious celebration, involving sacrifices
and theatrical performances, held in ancient
Idem sonans – (e.g. “Dis” = “this” as in “this State:”)
same" in Latin.) Confer at same in Black's Law Dictionary! Briefly, terms
that sound the same can be treated as one and the same, for all legal purposes,
There you have it: "Citizen of the
entire scheme was accomplished by passage of the "Buck Act",
4 U.S.C.S. Secs. 105-113, to implement
the application of the "Public Salary Tax Act of 1939" to
workers within the private sector. This subjects all
private sector workers who have a Social Security number to
all state and federal laws "within this
a "fictional Federal area" overlaying
the land in California and in all other states in the
following definition is used throughout the
several states in the application of their municipal laws which
require some sort of contract for proper application. This definition is
also included in all the codes of
"In this State"
or "in the State" means within the exterior limits of the State
... and includes all territories within
such limits owned or ceded to the
This definition concurs with the "Buck Act" supra which states:
110(d) The term
"State" includes any Territory or possession of the
110(e) The term "Federal area" means any lands or premises held or acquired by or for the use of the United States or any department, establishment, or agency of the United States; and any Federal area, or any part thereof, which is located within the exterior boundaries of any State, shall be deemed to be a Federal area located within such State.
(From: Articles by Richard McDonald)
“September 11, 2001” fell on the 1st day of the 2nd Year of the 3rd Millennium after the beginning of the reign of Caesar Tiberius as that date is defined in the bible:
On September 26, 2007 I received an email with a report of what might have been a most devastating event for many of us on September 6, 2007 – which may have been the 1st day of the 8th Year in the 3rd Millenium after Caeasar Tiberius as reckoned by biblical years - had it not been effectively countered by a few people wise and brave enough not to lend their assistance to an event that could have blown the memory of WTC on 9/11 into the dust. (Cf. this forum discussion! and this one especially: Notice the 7 “accidental” deaths within one week of this incident – as if that in itself isn’t confirmatory evidence of the worst of intentions!)
Remember – Time is of the essence!
“Remember… to keep it holy… Six days… but on the last Day…!” (Exodus 20:12.)
“Remember to stay in tune with “the ordinances of the moon…!” (Jeremia 31:35-36.)
“Remember forever your dates with your Father, your Mother and your Creator!” (Exodus 12:14, 17, 24.)
…lest you’ll be forever reminded by escalating calamities such as French Guiana, WACO, Oklahoma City Bombing, WTC, War on Terror City… until you are no more… (Revelation 14 : 9-11 = The Third Angel’s Message!)
A few days ago I was restudying the chronological references re the time
period around Caesar Nero, Caesar Otho and the Civil War in
As I came to Caesar Otho, while focusing upon finding out the exact date of his death, I noticed words describing Caesar Otho sacrificing to Dis Pater. Having learned before that religious activities are most often tied to certain dates of the year I then went to Google and Wikipedia to lookup Dis Pater. I did find what I was looking for, but not only that! I found some things I believe may have some impact upon today’s most noted events. For instance 9-11 and WTC!
First, I noticed that the Dis Pater sacrifices are generally associated with the age of man and with numbers such as 110, 100, and 1000. Perhaps you are aware of the very strong associations between the number 11 and just about everything tied to the 9-11 event? Most centrally perhaps is the fact that the two WTC towers were built to look like the number 11 ‑ two tall 1’s ‑ and that each tower had 110 floors rising towards the sky. Well, reading all that about the Dis Pater sacrifices caught my attention. Next I noticed that the Dis Pater sacrifices are typically being brought during the last three days of the year and the beginning of the new year. Considering what I had already learnt about the general timing of Otho’s death I proceeded to look up and verify that the founding of Rome is generally agreed to have taken place on April 21. Accordingly the last three days before that anniversary day would have begun with April 18. Based on that and some other reference data I was able to narrow Otho’s death down to April 19, 54 CE and his sacrifice to Dis Pater to April 18.
What struck me in this context was that the very same day that Caesar sacrificed to Dis Pater he suddenly decided to commit suicide. Having read in Wikipedia that Dis Pater is also known as the god of Hades and the god of the Roman underworld I was reminded of king Saul who died within a day or two after visiting with the woman in Endor who brought up from “the underworld” an evil spirit pretending to be the prophet Samuel and who had recently died (1 Sam 28.)
I next came to wonder about the exact biblical date corresponding to the 9-11-2001 WTC disaster. I soon found out that it occurred on the 22 day following visibility of the new moon. Having recently learnt that the biblical year begins after the Feast of Ingathering, which is sunset at the beginning of the 22 day of the Seventh lunar month, I then went on to inquire as to when was the beginning of the First biblical month of 2001. So I went to the Karaite web site where such data are being published. I noted that according to the Karaite site that year was a year without an intercalary moon. According to the Karaite site the First Month, Abib, fell out a time that made 9-11-2001 fall in the sixth moon of the year. However, looking a little closer I also discovered that the marker of the approaching First Moon, the aviv ripening of the barley, was very ripe even two weeks before the expected Abib new moon crescent. It became clear to me that had the aviv search begun during the month before, they very likely would have found enough aviv to declare the First Moon even one month earlier than they did, i.e. on February 24, 2001. Accordingly I found that most likely the 9-11-2001 WTC event actually did take place on the 22 day of the Seventh Moon, 2001 and thus also on the very 1st day of the 2nd Year in the 3rd millennium after the beginning of the reign of Caesar Tiberius – 1, 2, 3… Well, that’s interesting, isn’t it? Albeit not at the very turn of the millennium it is a suggested warning of more to come, is it not? Or what does it suggest to you?
Considering next the time of the day when this began: The attack on the Pentagon is being reported as 08:38 AM EDT and on the 1st WTC tower at 08:48 AM EDT. Well, besides all three of these attacks beginning within one hour of one another - thus fulfilling Revelation 18:10 - I do not immediately recognize any significance in the hour, except perhaps that this is the 3rd hour of the day biblical time, which is the very same hour of the day when Yeshua Messiah was crucified (on April 22, 18 CE.)
May the God that created Time guide you every step of your Way!
Perhaps you’d enjoy the blessings of partaking of a warning given almost a century before the 9-11 event? Beginning with Volume 9, page 11… oooops! Nine eleven once again… Who is behind all this?
Do I ever reflect enough upon questions such as:
“What part responsibility do I have for THIS ???”
“What part responsibility do I have for the actions attributed to Dis ???”
“Who is Dis?”
“Who am I?” – “What or who is Dis pater, Dis father, Dis cause?”
“What part responsibility do I have for the suffering in
...Or how is it spelled? Is it: DC State or D’s or D’c State? How is it spelled, really? Does it matter? Is idem sonans a reality in our spoken language? Who’s State is it? Does it belong to Dis pater? Me? U?
How about me mine you yours? D’c state?
Who is U? Anyone? What is a 3D U? A glass? A bowl? A bottle? A body?
If it’s futile, dangerous and self destructive to resist all this Evil, then perhaps it’s ever so
effective – and so much safer - merely to cease
assisting it…? Did you ever try? When they came for you during
Do U, do I, dare to stand up and be ever more responsible for the lives and the bodies our Creator is entrusting in our care – even if and when it means that someone will consider us – or is it US? - odd or not so courteous?
1, 2, 3, cause and effect…
The Three Angels’ Messages (Revelation 14:6-7, 8, 9-11)
1. The Past is gone, not to forget, but to learn from, and act upon, while it is still with us…
“Remember… on the last Day of the present week!”
- The right lessons, not the wrong ones!
– And not too late!
2. The time for choice and action is now… Walking the Walk… Step by little step, precept upon precept...
3. Tomorrow is tied to the consequences – just as today is the result of yesterday’s actions. Or is that not so?
Remember the 1st day of the 2nd Year of the 3rd Millennium! :
The Pentagon Missile – The WTC demolition 2 3 4 - Basement bombs – More demolition explosions – Is a face a signature? – The 1st WTC hit – Cockpit view 1st tower - Premature report about collapse of Building 7 - …with count down – Revelation 9:11
Post script II:
It occurs to me that perhaps there may even be a connection between the Dis Pater sacrifice and the crucifixion? :
took place on Friday May 12, 19 CE. The crucifixion was no doubt a consequence
of key decisions, most especially Judas’ sale of Yeshua to the priests, on Monday
evening, May 8, that is, three completed days after the sales agreement. The tomb was opened at sunset Monday May 15,
three full days after the crucifiction and burial. The founding
of Rome is generally accepted as April 21. Caesar Otho
sacrificed to Dis Pater on April 18, three days prior to
the anniversary of the founding of
The Dis Pater sacrifices are said to begin three days before the end of the year and to include the beginning of the new year. Yeshua was sold by Judas into the jurisdiction of
3. The Dis Pater sacrifices are specifically associated with the age of man, e.g. 100, 110, and 1000. Yeshua was in his 33rd year at the time of the crucifixion. The number 11 figures prominently in both.
4. Josephus is using a different reckoning of time when recording events within the Roman civil war. That year begins with Abib 22. Likewise in the New Testament there is found one passage referencing Abib 22 as “the eighth day.” The Eighth Day is otherwise in the bible referencing Tishri 22 and the beginning of the standard, or civil, Scriptural year. The great controversy between good and evil is a war going on within the minds of each one of us. It is also generally known as the controversy between the powers of Heaven and Hell. Given that Yeshua’s kingdom represents God’s kingdom and the responsibilities granted each one of us by our Creator, in a very special sense Yeshua’s sacrifice upon the cross is the beginning of a very real internal, or civil, war, albeit as Yeshua sais: “The kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21.)
5. The Waving of the Sheaf, i.e. the Omer sacrifice, took place three full day prior to Abib 22 and the beginning of the sacred year. Thus the Omer sacrifice also parallels the three days of sacrifice to Dis Pater.
6. The discrepancy between the Jewish and the Scriptural day for the Omer sacrifice, Sunday vs. Sabbath, is reflected also by the discrepancies between the observance of God’s ordinances of the moon by the Jews generally vs. by Yeshua and his disciples. Cf. Jeremiah 31:35! Indeed, what’s the source of this discrepancy that did not exist in New Testament times? And why the cover-up and confusion characterizing 1st century conventional chronology?
Similar parallels are found when comparing Abraham’s sacrifice of Isaac on the 3rd
8. What exactly was being decided in the councils of the Pharisees? Cf. Matt. 12:14; 21:46; 22:14-15, 34, 41; 26:59; Mark 3:6; 8:14-15; 10:2; 12:13-15; 14:55; 15:1; Luke 6:7; 11:53-54; 13:31; 14:1; 22:66; John 7:32; 9:16; 11:46-50, 57; 18:3.
9. So, who is missing the point? Who is sinning? Who is committing a crime? The ones responsible for actually going through with the intended sacrifices, killings, murders of the Sons of Man, or the ones recognizing and learning by “analyzing the symbols – the Words of the Holy Scriptures - to death,” such that lives are being saved and not destroyed? The “authorities” voted and created into existence by men and not by God, OR the true fundamentalists and extremists that insist upon studying and learning from the Scriptures for themselves in accord with the concept of “Sola Scriptura” and proper bible study rules? And who all are responsible for voting such “authorities” into existence, for being “employees,” officers, representatives, or soldiers carrying out the acts of such “authorities,” for paying tribute in the form of taxes, fees and etc., for not refusing to participate in any and all abuse of power under “color of law,” for willingly remaining in blindness and even to indoctrinate our very own sons and daughters into the same falsehoods and traditions of men, etc., etc.? Who is responsible? I? U? US? Us?
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