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Till: 'A. No Malee'
Ämne: Do you like it better now?... I have an important question to you RE
your email: A couple of comments on your VAT 4956 page - Thanks ever so much
for pointing me in the right direction! I really needed that!!!
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and
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the 27 day of month #2, Zif 27
in the 5930th year, more or
less, following the beginning recorded in Genesis 1
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[Wednesday, the 3rd day of the
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of Caesar Tiberius.]
Dear
Mr[s?] A. No Malee,[1]
;=)
Thank
you ever so much for your feedback re my VAT 4956 page! I always value feedback,
most especially feedback that may help me remedy any errors of mine, or such
feedback as in any other way may help make things more clear to any or all of
us. Thanks again! Indeed, your feedback did both… and more! Thanks!
Thanks! Thanks!!!
And
thanks for jogging my memory re that VAT 4956 and my study of it! Indeed, it
has been quite some time since I did that study and it is good for me to bring
these items into memory and thoroughly review and revise my prior findings with
an eye to any errors I’ve made, for instance as suggested by your recent
email… If you stay with me you’ll realize how your email is being
effective towards correcting some important preconceived ideas I’ve had.
Indeed, perhaps you’ll find that you’re having some of the same species???
Please
feel free to send me any additional feedback that you wish!
Re
“many of the anomalies…”
The
most important question, to me, that I have for you is this one re your
statement “Beginning the new year a day earlier
will resolve many of the anomalies you see, I think.” If you would please specify for me what species of
“anomalies” you are referring to, while also providing for me a representative
sampling of such “anomalies,” such that I can be sure not to misunderstand you
and such that I may learn and grow in my own understanding of the reality that
now is, and that was, likewise, in times past? If you’ll please
accommodate me by answering the above question I’ll be very happy indeed.
Thanks in advance! – For instance, re the “anomalies” you’re thinking of, are
they directly associated with VAT 4956, or are they associated primarily with
historical events of that time, that is, outside of VAT 4956 itself and the
observations there recorded?
.
. . . . . .
Re
your primary observation re the evening of April 22 vs. April 23, 568 BCE.
No
doubt you are aware of the Scripture rule re beginnings of months being
dependent upon an actual real time observation of the new moon crescent,
that is, in contradistinction to a more or less certain predictable
visibility of the same at the end of the 29th day of any lunar
month? Accordingly, you will no doubt also be aware of the fact that all it
takes, for the beginning of any given month to be delayed until a default
beginning at the end of the 30th day of the prior month, is
inclement weather, such that no certain actual observation is being made at the
end of the 29th day? You are well aware of this rule, are you not?
As
based for instance upon NASA’s Phases of the
Moon tables for that year (-567 = 568 BCE) it appears almost certain that,
as you’ll certainly agree, the New Moon crescent was indeed potentially
visible, weather allowing, in the evening of April 22, 568 BCE. The only question
remaining then, is this: Did the weather allow for that observation to actually
happen or not? What facts are borne out by the record we know of as VAT 4956,
that is, re an actual observation, or not, on that 29th day
referenced by you as “day 0 of Month I (day 29 of
Month XII2) was April 21/22?” Depending upon our answer to this last prior
question will be also, as you’ll agree?, the validity of your statement “logically day 1 of Month I
would be April 22/23…”
If
our only problems pertain to such “anomalies” as we may seem to perceive within
the VAT 4956 record itself, then all we have to address is our own
interpretation and understanding of VAT 4956. In so doing we must, of course,
be very careful indeed not to rely so much upon our own preconceived ideas, as
based upon today’s schools of thought, that we blame any apparent problem upon
the authors of VAT 4956 while forgetting the proverbial three fingers pointing
back to ourselves and to our own flawed schools of thought and the associated
scholars and “authorities.” Indeed, could it be that we, you or I, are reading
more into “Sachs and Hunger” than they themselves intended by their words? Are
we allowing ourselves to be subject to the natural laws pertaining to the
whispering of the neighbors and to the gossip being brought from one generation
of scholars and church fathers to the next, or else are we being careful always
to fall back upon nothing less than a careful study of the best available
primary facts themselves?
Well,
these are considerations that I do my best in always keeping uppermost in my
mind while studying issues such as are being brought up in your recent mail to
me. So back to the questions you brought up re my “footnote #3” of this
[now updated] web page of mine…
Did
you notice my footnote
#1 and the highlighted words there quoted from the translator of VAT 4956?
That is, the words re the beginning of each month as indicated on VAT 4956
itself? Yes, indeed, per that note of the translator, and per his translation,
“Year 37 of
Nebukadnezar, king of Babylon. Month I. (the 1st of which was
identical with) the 30th (of the preceding month,)” the end of the 29th day of the
preceding month should indeed be, as you say, the beginning of Nebuchadnezzar’s
37th year. But, the question before us now is, Is this translation
itself an anomaly? Is this translation consistent with the remainder of the
facts being brought to us by VAT 4956? If you study the actual position of the
New Moon, relative to the Bull, on the evenings of the 22nd and 23rd,
you’ll probably notice with me that only on the 23rd is it true that
“the moon became visible behind
the Bull
of Heaven,” or isn’t that so? (Please press each of
the links within that last quote to see the relative positioning of the Moon
and the Bull on the evening of the 23rd! The corresponding positions
for April 22 may be seen under the links of these words of mine “one day later than I would
have
anticipated.”)… … … As a late afterthought I might
add, that, if my point here re the moon’s position relative to the Bull is
correct, than why is it that no reference is given also to the obvious
proximity to Venus, which on April 23 was no more than 8+ degrees from the
moon? Wouldn’t this be a third instance of “one god… [being] seen with the
other?” That is, as referenced in line 4, obverse, and in line 16, on the
reverse side of VAT 4956? But if so, then the word “behind” in “behind the
Bull” must be an erroneous translation, must it not? Yet, in favor of April 22
would also be that, otherwise meaningless, translator’s Comment re line 1, that
is, “The last sign visible can be any
number from 14 to 18…” For
isn’t it true that if April 22 is indeed the correct date, then it would make
sense also to apply the number “14,” that is, as in “14 degrees between the
setting sun and the moon…” (whereas the corresponding distance for April 23
would be 26 degrees…) And perhaps too, those bracketed words of the translator,
“[sunset to moonset:] ….[….][2],” would gain some meaning, that is,
reminiscent of those initially enigmatic words of line 4, obverse, and of line
16, reverse side of the clay table, that is, the words “sunrise to moonset: 4o”
etc.? (Cf. my new footnotes
to
line 4, obverse side of the clay tablet!) Well, so much for afterthought…
An
even more precise – and much less questionable – observation of VAT 4956 is
brought to us by line 10 re Mars in Praesepe, that is, within the
Beehive Cluster, which line 10 states, re Month #2, that: “The
3rd, Mars entered Praesepe[3]. The
5th, it went out (of it).”
Looking at those links there can be no question, so far as I can see, but that
the 3rd day of Month #2 is identical with the evening of May 25,
etc.. It follows that the 1st day of Month #2 began on May 23, or
isn’t that so?
But,
per line 8, “Month II, the 1st
(of which followed the 30th of the preceding month),” it seems quite clear to me that the 30th
day of Month #1 was none other than the day beginning with the evening of May
22, 568 BCE. From this it follows that the 1st day of Month #1 must
be none other than the day beginning with the evening of April 23rd.
Given that April always has 30 days, I can see no way out of this but to
conclude that Month #1 of Nebuchadnezzar’s 37th year began with the
evening of April 23rd, 568 BCE, can you?
There
we go!!! Once I discovered the certain and confirmed reference point found in
line 4, obverse, re the 14th day, I found something solid to stand
upon re the beginning of the 1st month. This finding being wholly in
accord with your suggestions as per your email to me, it remains for me to
thank you from the bottom of my heart for pointing me effectively in the right
direction such that I could correct this rather serious error of mind re VAT
4956! Thanks! Thanks! Thanks ever so
much!
And
besides that, there were quite a number of other details that I’ve corrected or
improved upon over and above my prior work on VAT 4956. Thanks again! This was
really needed! - And yet, I realize that there is yet much work for
me to do before I’ve completely covered all of the data available for me to
consider on VAT 4956. Much to be excited about and to enjoy when time allows!
…
Upon
reviewing again your below email after having extensively reviewed and revised
my prior work – thanks to this your incentive! – I am finally understanding the
details given in your email and I appreciate a little of your insight into
these matters. Thanks for sharing with me of that which you’ve come to know and
understand re these important things!
I
notice your last bit of information re line 12 obverse and the “20°” there referenced… Per the method you’re using, you
are getting: “Time
difference: 91 minutes or 22.75° - this is acceptably close to the tablet's 20°…” You may
perhaps appreciate that, by measuring, at the time of sunset, the angular
distance between the Sun and the Moon, you’ll arrive at a value even closer to
the “20°” provided by VAT 4956… You’ll notice that I found that
angular distance being 19° 35’! That’s even more “acceptably close,” isn’t
it?!!
You’ll notice too, that, albeit I agree
with you that in this instance, of the Akkadian word behind the translator’s
word, “thick” may well be referencing, as you say the “illuminated fraction
of 3.1%,”
yet, in the remainder of VAT 4956 it seems to me that that interpretation is
inconsistent with the facts and that the word translated “thick” is more likely
a reference to the overall size of the Moon, that is, to its nearness to the
Earth. Would you agree with that?
I
might add that I’ve yet to find and discover that reference of yours “ADT
Vol. I…”
.
. . . . . .
May
the peace of the Creator rest over your family and home! And by the way, in case
you are interested in such things?... Did you know that on the Seventh-day
Sabbath, beginning with the oncoming darkness this Friday evening May 21, 2010,
is the Torah given “Day
of Sabbaths,” an annual Feast for remembering all of the Creator’s
Sabbaths: Sabbaticals as well as the weekly Seventh-day Sabbaths, and, not to
forget, the year of Jubilee? All of which Sabbaths are granted us for the prime
purpose of pointing all of us in the direction of ultimate freedom under none
but our loving Father in heaven, our Creator and Redeemer!
You
have indeed been most helpful to me re these matters! Thanks again!!! And
please feel free to share with me any further thoughts, insights, or comments
that you may have re these things… The thought comes to mind that per chance
you’d be interested in some of my discoveries as published on this
web page of mine, re things relating to the Book of Daniel, that is, to
such things as relates primarily to the exact dating of events in those days?
Shalom,
Gunnar Anders Smårs Jr ©
PS. If
you don’t mind?, I’ll be giving you credit for helping me along the way by
placing a
link to this correspondence of ours where appropriate. Please let me know
any objection you may have to my doing so!
Från: Ann OMaly
[mailto:anannomaly@yahoo.com]
Skickat: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:11 AM
Till: TreeOfLifeTime@gmail.com
Ämne: A couple of comments on your VAT 4956 page
Hi Mr. Smårs, I happened upon your page by accident. Unfortunately I didn't have time to look at it thoroughly (need to remedy later) but a couple of things leapt out at me. You began the Nisan 1, 568 BCE on the evening of April 23, according to footnote 3. Are you unaware that the new month began on the evening of April 22? After all, Sachs and Hunger themselves indicate that this is when the month began: "year 37 I 0=XII2 29 Apr 21/22" If day 0 of Month I (day 29 of Month XII2) was April 21/22, then logically day 1 of Month I would be April 22/23. And the new crescent was visible then. Starting on April 22 will eventually help with the 'discrepancy' at footnote 21 regarding the lunar three measurement of 20° on line 12. As you may be aware, the Babylonians measured lag-times between moonrise/set and sunrise/set at particular times of the month. In later tablets they came to be known as 'lunar sixes' (a term coined, if I remember correctly, by Sachs - there's more information about them in the introduction to their ADT Vol. I). In this tablet, however, there are only 'lunar threes' - day 1 sunset-moonset (NA); mid-month sunrise-moonset (NA [again]); and toward the end of the month, the last morning crescent moonrise-sunrise (usually designated as KUR but the sign is omitted on the tablet). Anyway, according to the program I used (Sky View Cafe), I get this result relating to your footnote 21/line 12: Simanu 1 begins at sunset June 20, 568. The moon was behind (east of) Cancer, and its crescent had quite a ‘thick’ illuminated fraction of 3.1%.
Moonset: 20.37 Sunset: 19.06 Time difference: 91 minutes or 22.75° - this is acceptably close to the tablet's 20°. Beginning the new year a day earlier will resolve many of the anomalies you see, I think. Of course, (what's likely to be) the scribal or copyist errors on lines 3 and 14 will remain. Hope this is some help. Regards, Ann |
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[1] Please do notice my within PS!
I hope you won’t mind me toying with your chosen name? Do you? J J J
You may appreciate, perhaps, a little of the thought and time that I’ve invested into considering the details of your, to me, very valuable (!) email, and in so doing, some of the thoughts that have been coming my way?
May God bless each of us as we keep on studying these particulars of truth, and may each of our families and homes experience the peace and blessings of the Almighty always and forever!
[2] See the translator’s Comments re Obverse, line 1: ”1: The last sign visible
can be any number from 14 to 18.” - This Comment becomes meaningful upon
realizing that the distance between the Moon and the Sun at the time between “[sunset
and moonset]” on April 22, 568 BCE was 14°+!
That is, yet another piece of evidence against April 23 being day one of the
month, obviously so, because on April 23 the corresponding distance was 26°+!