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Remnant
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Written with a beginning on 5923[((*??*)] 06[[[1]]] 02 2027
The Seventh Day,
the Creator’s own Sabbath,
the 2nd day of month #6, 2 Elul,
in the
5923rd[(??)]
year following the beginning recorded in Genesis 1
and in the 2027th
year following the
beginning recorded in Luke 1:26-33
[The 1st day of the month per ancient
Rabbinical reckoning,
3 Tishrei (month #7) per more recent Jewish reckoning
(based upon a
decimal error in Hillel II’s directives causing a wandering of the
seasons!),
[Saturday, the 6th day of the Pope’s week (as revised
in Sweden from 1973 A.D.,)
October 2 in the 2011th year
of Caesar Tiberius
(per current Gregorian
reckoning in Europe and elsewhere,)
Cf. Daniel 7:25…]
Happy
Sabbath Toby,
After
having studied the Sabbath School Quarterly for this Sabbath, including also
the introduction to this quarter’s focus upon Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians,
I am all the more impressed by the timing of the essential message of these
last several Newsletter’s
of yours (#50-#53!)
Our
Lord is truly the Lord of Hosts!
And
we are truly in need of a new awakening, a new reformation, a true revival,
even within our own beloved Seventh-day Adventist church, aren’t we?! I believe
we are being infiltrated by thoughts derived from the apostasy we should be
alerted to by the teachings of our pioneers, but are not… I find these things
truly appalling: Last night, at the very beginning of Sabbath, I get this weekly
email from that most popular among “Seventh-day Adventist Leading Forum – Club
Adventist,” and what are the titles of the threads that are being specifically
promoted through this week’s mail if not reminiscent of the very worst species
of apostasy? Here are some of the titles:
WHAT
DOES IT feel like to be gay? Parade Orange shares his testimony
SAFE
INJECTION SITES- What do you think of them? Do they work?
GREAT
PUMPKIN- How do you handle Hallowe’en?
Well,
perhaps the titles may be a wee bit misleading… After all, this is an SDA
website, and the objectives and goals in life of the participants are hopefully
a good bit higher than what the above titles may suggest. Indeed, after having
taken a close look at the first one of the above links, I realize that this one
is nothing less than what I believe is a very healthy and health promoting
opening up of one man’s life experience from the point of view of his very own
perceptions of himself. By thus opening up his inner self, exposing his
innermost thoughts and feelings, before himself, before God, and before others,
I believe a lot of blessings may be forthcoming… That is, as I would expect
from any true and honest confession before the right audience… However, that is
not meant in any way to condone or to recommend anything like that type of
confession which is being done before a priest of the Roman Catholic Church, or
before anyone at all representing a hierarchy or authority created by men.
Indeed, I believe there is a very real danger inherent in even allowing oneself
ever to enter into a dialog implying any kind of content acceptance of any of
the activities being suggested by the above link titles…
And
then there is another very serious danger. That is, I believe that, as Seventh-day
Adventists, we may tend to pride ourselves upon not having ourselves fallen for
any of the above serious errors of our greater society… By so doing, that is,
by wooing the sins of others, we may tend to forget the importance of our own
ongoing journey upon the path the Heaven. Indeed, in a way, our pride may make
us no better than any one of those three categories being identified by King
David in Psalms 1:1… What specifically am I thinking of?...
Well,
today in Sabbath School we are beginning a new Quarterly. The subject is Paul’s
Epistle to the Galatians. In the Introduction presented in the Quarterly the
author, Carl Cosaert, PhD, is painting a very fine picture re the importance of
Paul’s Epistles to the Galatians historically, most especially re its impact
upon all that for which Martin Luther, John Wesley, and then Waggoner and
Andrews are known, not the least among which is the 1888 message re
Righteousness by Faith. But then what…? Is this just history…? Is this teaching
solidly confirmed doctrine? Is everything there is to learn in that Epistle of
Paul already learnt and properly applied in our church and in each our lives?
What if there is much more that we as a church are failing to recognize because
we are as yet blindfolding ourselves by means of our own traditional way of
thinking, that is, by means of the officially accepted SDA teaching as promoted
from places such as Andrew’s University etc.?
Indeed,
I find that there is a major flaw in the design of this Quarterly study! It is
being built upon a major false assumption. Dr Cosaert is stating: “Many scholars believe that Galatians may be the
earliest of Paul’s letters, perhaps written in A.D. 49, after the famous
Jerusalem council (Acts 15)…”
Well,
that belief of “many scholars” just isn’t true! There are at least two major
errors in that quote! To the best of my understanding Galatians was the very
last of Paul’s NT Epistles, excepting only Hebrews! And it was written in the
fall of 45 CE some five or six years after the Jerusalem council which took
place in the fall of 39 CE or else in the spring of 40 CE. So, what difference
does this make? Well, for one thing it hides for us that which was obviously
foremost upon Paul’s mind at the very time of his writing Galatians. You see,
recognizing that Galatians was being written at the very time, before and
after, Paul’s final stand before Caesar Nero at which time Paul was obviously
released, we, our beloved SDA church, are missing out greatly upon Paul’s focus
at the time, that is, each our relationship to any and all laws created by men,
first of all such laws as the Roman law, that is, rather than, per our SDA
lingo, some species of “ceremonial laws” of our own definition… That is, we as
SDAs have been creating for ourselves a theology of doctrines that hides for us
most everything, besides the weekly Sabbath, pertaining to our Creator’s
predefined dates with His own People, that is, all such dates which are tied to
our Creator’s own Calendar, the calendar used by default, and with very few
exceptions, throughout the Holy Scriptures. This is serious business! And very
comparable indeed to the difference between keeping Sabbath on the 7th
vs. the 1st day of the week!
Ok,
so what more… Well, as SDAs we do claim to be a people of the Book, a people
who pride ourselves upon our studying the Holy Scriptures, and to have an
ongoing and living relationship with our Creator, do we not? But, is this true?
Or, to what extent is it true? Where is the forum where a true and open dialog
is happening, that is, a dialog where we are truly able to jointly study, among
SDAs at large, and learn from the topics we are bringing up in Sabbath School?
The above mentioned Club Adventist is a fairly open forum with minimal editing
by the moderator, but I wouldn’t call it a forum for much serious dialog around
in depth studies of the Scriptures. Indeed, most attempts at initiating such a
dialog has a strong tendency of being drowned by a small host of people sharing
whatever is on their minds to share... Then there are the SSNET blogs
associated with the internet site where our quarterlies are being made
available to any and all. Unfortunately I find those blogs being little more
than a public front towards the general Adventist laity, that is, a place where
traditional SDA theology as taught at Andrews etc.. is being promoted, and
where little if any serious outside input is being accepted without censoring.
In fact, most every post I’ve attempted to enter upon those blogs has been
disapproved and never published, and the few that were published had my
references edited out… In effect, I find such censoring incompatible with any
significant growth in understanding among us as a people, and it certainly is
effectively killing any tendency towards revival of true in depth Bible study
so far as those blogs are concerned. A good example of such censoring of my
attempts at contributing towards a meaningful dialog may be seen at the bottom
of the web page under this
link (which is a copy of this
web page,) that is, those last two posts of treeoflife were never approved.
Instead a notice came up, within minutes of my initial posting, to the effect
that that thread had been closed to any further editing or addition… In fact,
when I tried to add one more post, a brief PS, below the other two posts, that
thread was effectively closed for any more posting. This was my third post:
“PS.
...and ten years after Paul's conversion experience of November 24, 29
CE.”
Included
in said post was also a hovering note, associated with the “29 CE” link, with
the following words:
“Notice
the hour of the day of Paul's conversion... and also his subsequent physical
handicap - poor vision... Requiring scribes for writing his letters!”
So,
where do I go for finding a place where living Seventh-day Adventists are
carrying on a living dialog around in depth issues found in the Holy
Scriptures?
May
the peace of our Creator rest over each our families and homes,
Gunnar ©
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Ämne: SV: Newsletter # 53: The Remnant - Re John's time on the Island of
Patmos...
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Written with a beginning on 5923[((*??*)] 06[[[1]]] 01 2027
The Sixth Day, the
Day of Preparation,
the 1st
day of month #6, 1 Elul,
in the
5923rd[(??)]
year following the beginning recorded in Genesis 1
and in the 2027th
year following the
beginning recorded in Luke 1:26-33
[The 30th day of the month per ancient
Rabbinical reckoning,
2 Tishrei (month
#7) per more recent Jewish
reckoning
(based upon a
decimal error in Hillel II’s directives causing a wandering of the
seasons!),
[Thursday evening, the 4th
day of the Pope’s week (as revised in Sweden from 1973 A.D.,)
September 29 in the 2011th year
of Caesar Tiberius
(per current Gregorian
reckoning in Europe and elsewhere,)
Cf. Daniel 7:25…]
Dear
Toby,
Re your statement:
“John, the beloved apostle, was on the Island of Patmos around 90 A.D.”
For
the record, and for your edification if you are truly one of the Remnant few
who seriously care about the truth of that which is at the very chiasm of the
creation week, that is, time, and to the best of my intense and in depth
studies under the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Prophecy,
re these things:
John
was on Patmos from between 66 and 68 CE until 77 CE and he died in 87 CE. More
details here…
I
commend you on your choice of focus for your last three Newsletters, that is,
the importance of being willing to be led by the cleansing spirit of God, that
is, by the Holy Spirit, such that there will be, and is truly, a reality in the
words and thoughts that you are sharing with us all. Thanks for sharing those
valuable Newsletters! None of us are perfect, but we are in the process of
being perfected… As in the
Preparation Day, which happens to be today!
Praise
the Lord of Hosts who guides each of us one step at a time, ever closer to a
true understanding of reality as it really is and was, as only He knows how to!
Shabbat
Shalom unto each our families and homes,
Gunnar ©
PS. Did you notice the differences between the Greek versions of Rev
22:6, i.e. re the words translated “the spirits of the prophets…?” That is the difference
as found in the Textus Receptus version and the Byzantine version? No doubt
you’ll easily see the difference using your e-Sword?
KJV goes with TR while NIV goes with Byz… What should be the understanding re
this passage by the Remnant few?
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Dear
Friends,
I pray that God may be glorified through this newsletter.
Toby Joreteg MD, PhD
www.TobyJoreteg.com
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[1] After having focused closely upon Scriptural chronology based upon the most original references and using the best tools available to me, I see little or no reason not to consider Scripture month #1, aviv (as used and applied in Biblical times,) as being based upon the aviv found on Mount Jerusalem, or perhaps more accurately, upon the current location of the Ark of the Covenant (while not upon the aviv found at hotter and lower altitudes, albeit within the boundaries of Israel, e.g. in the Jordan valley or in the Negev desert.) Cf. this link!
[1] After having focused closely upon Scriptural chronology based upon the most original references and using the best tools available to me, I see little or no reason not to consider Scripture month #1, aviv (as used and applied in Biblical times,) as being based upon the aviv found on Mount Jerusalem, or perhaps more accurately, upon the current location of the Ark of the Covenant (while not upon the aviv found at hotter and lower altitudes, albeit within the boundaries of Israel, e.g. in the Jordan valley or in the Negev desert.) Cf. this link!