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style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>PowerfulChoices [PowerfulChoices@gmail.com]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:192.0pt;text-indent:-120.0pt;tab-stops: 120.0pt;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>Skickat:<span style='mso-tab-count:1'>   </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:48 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:192.0pt;text-indent:-120.0pt;tab-stops: 120.0pt;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>Till:<span style='mso-tab-count:1'>          </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>'Toby Joreteg'<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:192.0pt;text-indent:-120.0pt;tab-stops: 120.0pt;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>Kopia:<span style='mso-tab-count:1'>     </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>& <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:192.0pt;text-indent:-120.0pt;tab-stops: 120.0pt;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>Ämne:<span style='mso-tab-count:1'>     </span></span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri; color:black'>RE: Daniel's Messiah: Newsletter #17<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <div> <div id=ftn1> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Without recourse. All Rights Reserved. Powerful Choices ©<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Non-Negotiable. Private between the parties.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Adamah Republic ©</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>5940(</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>?</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>) 05 27 2026</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>&nbsp;</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Written with a beginning on the Second Day,</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>the 27<sup>th</sup> day of month #5, Tammuz 27 </span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>in <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.wan.io/OTCh/GateWayToTheSacredCalendarOfTheCreatorInProgress....htm">the 5940<sup>th</sup> year</a>(</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family: "Comic Sans MS"'>?</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>), following the beginning recorded in Genesis 1</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>and in the 2026<sup>th</sup> year following <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/NTCh/AdditionalDatedNewTestamentEvents.htm#YeshuasConceptionAndDelivery">the beginning recorded in Luke</a> 1:26-33</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>&nbsp;</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>[<a name=CaesarTiberiusCalendar>Monday, the 1<sup>st</sup> day of the week, August 9 in the 2010<sup>th</sup> </a><a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/NTCh/TheRegnalYearsAndDatesOfRomanEmperors.htm#TiberiusCaesarsReignBrief" target="_blank">year of Caesar Tiberius</a> </span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>(per current Gregorian reckoning in Europe and elsewhere.)]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'>Dear </span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>Toby</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>, my Brother in Daniel s Messiah and my old time Friend,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'>( - and, as well, my beloved </span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:red'>Brethren</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'> and </span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>Sisters</span><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>, whomever you may be,)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I wish you d be more willing to send me your feedback such that ours would be more truly a dialog where both parties listen to, and carefully consider, the input of the other!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>In your last prior Newsletter #16 <a href="Newsletter16wLinksToToL.htm#TobysChallengeRe27AC">you made a challenge, a statement</a>:  Until proven wrong, I personally believe that Christ was baptized in the fall of 27 A.D. Taken at face value, that, to me, is an indication that you are inviting, or challenging, anyone, me not excluded, to share with you such proof or evidence as may be likely to prove you wrong re that one particular& <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Am I mistaken? If you are not at all interested in even looking at such evidence or proof, why even make such a claim? Wouldn t that be hypocritical?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Please, Toby, and whomever else you may be, I am challenging you to please bring before me any question of yours that you may like to have answered for purposes of disproving your above quoted claim& As it is you seem to be either ignoring, or else totally blind and deaf to, the very clear and, to me, obvious evidence, even proof, in support of your above claim being nothing but an error, albeit yesteryears present truth. Therefore I am proposing that you ask your own questions, such that I may be better able to meet you where you are& even all the way to the point where both of us may be able to see eye to eye re that one tiny particular detail& <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Please show me that you are alive and truly one of those dear friends of mine who loves nothing better than to learn and grow while humbly walking hand in hand with our Greatest Teacher, our Savior, and our Redeemer while on our way ever closer to the Kingdom of God!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>. . . . . . . <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>As before, you ll find my comments to your Newsletter #17 below, embedded within my copy of your Newsletter& <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Shalom,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:red'>Gunnar ©<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'>PS. As always, please remember, each of these Comments of mine to Toby s Newsletters are accessible also at <a href="GateWayToMyCommentsToEachOfToby'sNewslettersReDaniel'sMessiah.htm">this link</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'>Also, I believe some of the within links may have better functionality using that web access, that is, as compared to any of you reading it as an email& <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"; color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span lang=SV style='font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language:SV'>Från:</span></b><span lang=SV style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-language: SV'> tobyjoreteg@gmail.com [mailto:tobyjoreteg@gmail.com] <b>För </b>Toby Joreteg<br> <b>Skickat:</b> Sunday, August 08, 2010 6:21 PM<br> <b>Ämne:</b> Daniel's Messiah: Newsletter #17<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span lang=SV style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-ansi-language:SV'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span lang=SV style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-ansi-language:SV'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span lang=SV style='font-size:14.0pt;mso-ansi-language:SV'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Dear Friends,</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Daniel's prophecies are getting more and more exciting and inspiring. I hope and pray that by God's grace this newsletter will be a blessing to you. </span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>For newcomers, please go to my website <a href="http://www.TobyJoreteg.com">www.TobyJoreteg.com</a> and under &quot;Articles&quot; you can read or print the previous ones.</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Toby Joreteg MD, PhD</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'><a href="http://www.TobyJoreteg.com">www.TobyJoreteg.com</a></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Newsletter #17</span></b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'><b><u><span style='font-size:16.0pt'>How Long</span></u></b></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'><b>&nbsp;</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><b>Background</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>In the previous newsletters we have concluded that Daniel 11:21-45 refers to Emperor Tiberius and when Daniel 12:1 starts with:  At that time it refers to that same time. According to most commentaries Tiberius reigned from <s><span style='color: red'>14 A.D.  37 A.D.</span></s><span style='color:red'> [1 BCE  18 CE. <b><i>/ This correction (and others like these within this email, highlighted in bright red font) entered on  8-10-2010 by GS.</i></b>]</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Dear Toby! Since when has  most commentaries become an authority for honest truth seekers to go by? Isn t that the same as saying the we should all follow the majority along the wide and broad highway towards the Kingdom of Death?!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Aren t God s People supposed to be the head and not the tail? And isn t it true that each true leader or discoverer of any particular specific truth is always alone at the very first? Once, there has been a beginning, there may be followers, first one, then two, three& etc.. The power of truth is certainly not that it is being held by the majority, nor  by most commentaries, or do you truly disagree with that?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - So why keep repeating an old lie, or even yesteryears present truth, when God in His goodness has provided more light upon an issue?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - We haven t converted to Roman Catholicism, have we? For that isn t why you are placing Tradition[al Adventism] over and above Sola Scriptura and the plain facts revealed in nature, is it?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Toby, in the end, I know from my own experience that to get out of the deep mire of confusion re time is not a one step process. There are many layers of confusion for each of us to get out of before we can possibly be free from the errors accumulated over the ages since King Jeroboam s sin of changing the calendar! If you or anyone are truly willing to get out of the mire of confusion, out of the Babylonian calendars so well portrayed by the words in Daniel 7:25, you must be willing to be willing to unlearn and relearn many things! You must be willing to set yourself on the pursuit of the truth re God s calendar and God s reckoning of time. You must be willing to ask questions and to seek for each corresponding answer until you find it. I ve been doing this now for well over a decade and God has been showing me many things very clearly. It won t have to take you anywhere near as long as it has taken me if you are willing to take advantage of what God has already revealed to, and through, me. In no way am I to be your authority, yet when you ask your questions, whatever they may be, if God has already provided me with a clear answer to that question, then that answer will be much more readily available through me than if you were to fumble around for it for yourself not knowing even exactly what to look for or what questions exactly to ask& Or isn t that obvious?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Thus, it is up to you to be accountable for looking at the proof that is being laid before you re the errors I m repetitively pointing out to you! If you don t, you ll necessarily continue to wallow in the dirt as the swine do. Or doesn t that make sense?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>We also saw how the first three verses of Daniel 12 refer to the time of Christ s Ministry& </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Which time still is, isn t it?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;This <s><span style='color:red'>was</span></s><span style='color:red'> [is]</span> the most severe conflict ever waged on this earth. Heaven and the whole universe <s><span style='color:red'>were</span></s><span style='color:red'> [are]</span> involved as well. Everything <s><span style='color:red'>was</span></s><span style='color:red'> [is]</span>  in the balance during this time. And hallelujah praise be to God, the victory <s><span style='color:red'>was</span></s><span style='color:red'> [is being]</span> won through the blood of the Lamb, i.e. Christ s sacrifice on the cross! The devil and his angels <s><span style='color:red'>were</span></s><span style='color:red'> [are being]</span> hurled down to earth and since then <span style='color:red'>[ - as with Yeshua the Messiah, our example, so also with each of us - ]</span> they know that their time is short.</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Bringing this process home is essential, is it not!!!?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><b>Seal the Book</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Now the prophecy  takes a break for a couple of verses. The Man Dressed in Linen has given Daniel the first part of the explanation. We don t know how satisfied Daniel is with the information he has received thus far. Maybe he has understood everything very well up to this point. But now something unexpected happens. The Man Dressed in Linen commands Daniel to  shut up the words and to  seal the book. Daniel 12:4:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>But you, Daniel, <b>shut up the words</b>, and <b>seal the book</b> until the <b>time of the end</b>; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase. (NKJV) </i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>This is a clear order given by the Man Dressed in Linen. The Hebrew word for  shut up also means  to keep secret. Why was that necessary? Why shouldn t this prophecy be an  open book? Only God knows. His plan is perfect and we just need to trust Him. The prophet John had an experience similar to Daniel s in Revelation 10:4:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>Now when the seven thunders uttered their voices, <b>I was about to write</b>; but I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, &quot;<b>Seal up the things</b> which the seven thunders uttered, and <b>do not write them.</b>&quot; (NKJV)</i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Because of what this text says, I feel inclined to believe that Daniel had understood fairly well the information given to him thus far. But according to Daniel 12:8 it seems he had trouble understanding the continuation of the prophecy. The important question for us today is whether this prophecy still is sealed  because it was supposed to be sealed  until the time of the end? If it still is sealed, there really is no point in going any further. But if it is <i>not</i>, the challenge is to study and pray until we understand.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>The Time of the End</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>So what does  the time of the end in Daniel 12:4 mean? Most Christians believe that the current time, the time in which we live, is the end-time. Yes, that is true, but even if the prophecy is <i>unsealed</i> today, it wouldn t imply that its message suddenly would be clear to everyone. No, when the prophecy is  unsealed it means the divine  protection of the text is taken away and instead divine help to understand it is available. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>As we have seen in earlier newsletters I believe that the  time of the end again refers to the cross; the time when Israel ceased to be a chosen nation of God. Let us now read the last part of Daniel 12:10:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand. (NIV)<o:p></o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Toby, as you know, wisdom is inherent in humbling oneself before God and in being willing to correct one s old ways of thinking and doing things. Is it not?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Could it be that the sealing that has been is due to our own willingness to be fooled by our own collective misunderstanding of Hebrew words? Or wouldn t that make a whole lot of sense, if that were to be one essential element of the sealing process?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - There is an increasing awareness presently re the contrasts between Hebrew vs. Greek mindsets. Our own modern way of thinking is being quite heavily steeped in a Greek mindset. If any of us truly wishes to wake up to the realities of God s teaching in the Hebrew Scriptures, then each of us owes it to himself to seek to understand and partake of a truly Hebrew mindset. Or isn t that obvious? Well, Hebrew concepts of time, for one, is very, very different from such concepts as we have been taught  especially as it pertains to our reading of the Scriptures! Which is also one prime reason for the fact that conventional dating, such as  </span>27 A.D.<span style='color:red'>,  </span>31 A.D.<span style='color:red'>, etc., as perceived by those beloved brethren and pioneers that were walking before us upon this road heavenward, are in error.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - The plain truth is that  </span>the time of the <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/KJVRevisions/HebrewWordStudy-ketz.htm#Daniel12v4">end</a>,<span style='color:red'> of Daniel 12:4 is a mistranslation! But are you going to be willing to accept that fact and to relearn? Am I?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - I ve done <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/KJVRevisions/HebrewWordStudy-ketz.htm">a thorough word study of the key word of that phrase,  end, </a> and if you are truly willing to have these words unsealed for yourself, then I believe you owe it to yourself to take a closer look at this word study of mine, which word study I ve even <a href="Newsletter01wLinksToToL-EnglishTranslation.htm#ReMyWordStudyOfKetzTheEndReference">previously</a> pointed you to& <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - But, I m beginning to become a bit concerned for you& You don t seem to be very willing to be willing to learn, or at least not from that which I am doing my best for sharing with you of. How is that? You re not already beginning to suffer from a severe learning disorder such as Alzheimer s disease, are you? But then again, it seems to me that most all of humanity is suffering from being quite severely disoriented to time, place and person, not only you or me! And it is a hard thing indeed, to disentangle oneself from the umbilical cord of our mother church and that of our greater society, is it not? Indeed, even though none of us is as apt to learn as is most every new born, it is true that that job of untangling is a job that belongs to another& I believe it belongs to the physician whose job it is to assist with the delivery, that is, the Deliverer Himself, the Great Physician, our Savior and our Creator, God Himself. As new born infants we are pretty helpless, all of us, are we not?!]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>How appropriate! The wisdom here has nothing to do with earthly wisdom, but rather with spiritual! Therefore, let us do what Daniel did in Daniel 10:2-3 and 12. These verses tell us how Daniel humbled himself before God and set his mind to gain understanding <i>from God.</i> This means we cannot necessarily trust theological tools, earthly training or tradition. Only as we humble ourselves before God, can He fill us with His Holy Spirit, who according to the promise will lead us into all truth, 2 Peter 1:21 and John 16:13. I believe this is the wisdom Daniel 12:10 refers to.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>How Long</span></b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>In chapter 12:5-6 Daniel sees  two others, one on each side of the river, probably the river Tigris mentioned earlier in Daniel 10:4. Now Daniel interacts once more with the Man Dressed in Linen, who was  above the waters of the river. Again, this  Man continues to be Christ, as shown earlier in Daniel 10:5-6. Of course, Christ is  above the  flow of the  waters, which in Revelation 17:15 and Daniel 7:3 is a symbol for nations. Daniel 12:5-6: </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>Then I, Daniel, looked, and there <b>before me stood two others</b>, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river,  <b>How long</b> <b>will it be before these astonishing things are <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/KJVRevisions/HebrewWordStudy-ketz.htm#Daniel12v6">fulfilled</a>?</b> (NIV)</i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>The Bible does not specifically tell us who these two beings are. Very likely they are two angelic beings who converse with the Man Dressed in Linen. In their conversation one of them asks,  How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled? The expression  these things must refer to what has already been spoken about. The only  thing and the only  time mentioned earlier, is the  time of trouble in Daniel 12:1. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>When you ask the question  how long you re asking for duration and so you need either the beginning or the end point to have it make sense. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>If the  time of trouble or the  great war truly is the focus of this question, the question that this angelic being asks could be rephrased as follows: How long will it be before the  time of trouble will come to an end? With this question we are back to the introduction or rather the summary in Daniel 10:1 where we understood that this prophecy concerned the Truth, Jesus Christ and a great conflict. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Yes, indeed! It s all about that Great Controversy between Good and Evil that is being fought upon the same altar foundation as that which each our brain is resting, is it not?!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - It s all about being personally accountable for each our thoughts and for each our beingness. The key question then remains: Who do we trust more?: Our Creator who designed and made us into living beings, or the State Dragon that was waiting to eat each of us alive once we were delivered out of the woman portrayed in Revelation 12:1-4& and out of each our mother...<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - And, once again, to answer correctly the question  </span><b><i>How long</i></b><i> <b>will it be& </b></i><span style='color:red'> we owe it to ourselves to know and understand the meaning of words like  <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/KJVRevisions/HebrewWordStudy-ketz.htm#Daniel12v6">end</a> (KJV) or  fulfilled (NIV) as found in Daniel 12:6.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - But there is some exceedingly good news to be found within the answer to the question here posed:  </span><b><i>How long</i></b><i> <b>will it be?</b></i><span style='color:red'> You see, as for Jacob at the ford Jabbok, there is a  </span>time of trouble<span style='color:red'> for each of us as we wrestle with the questions we pose to ourselves, each other, and most especially to God. And the good news is that before long God will provide each of us the answers we need if only we are willing and prepared to accept them! I may be a matter of only 3 ½ days, or sometimes, of only 3 ½ years, or if we are less willing and prepared, it may take 1,260 years& You see, as with Jacob, much, very much, depends on our own willingness to let go of the angel, the messenger, while satisfying ourselves with the present truths of yesteryear being held by  </span>most commentaries& <span style='color:red'> Remember always, this  </span>time of trouble<span style='color:red'> pertain even more importantly to each our journey of life than it does to certain time periods in history, though certainly such do exist and should be understood!]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><b>Prophetic Climax</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>So now we are approaching the climax of the prophecy! What will the answer be? This answer will be of utmost importance. Let s read the first part of Daniel 12:7: </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him <b>swear by him who lives forever</b>...<b> </b>(NIV)</i> </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>The Man Dressed in Linen acts very powerfully here. He lifts  his right hand and his left hand toward heaven. He will now announce something totally unique to mankind and to the universe. He will now reveal God s plan. Therefore, he swears by Him  who lives forever. This must refer to the Father in heaven. Christ will now proclaim what He and the Father have agreed upon from before the creation of the world. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Could it be that, as so commonly, we are running ahead of ourselves and God, right here and right now? Or, isn t that what we are typically doing most all of the time?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - What more is in this sentence that we may be overlooking? Perhaps we are skipping past the very climax we are here purporting to find downline?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - What have we learnt re the symbolism of water, great water, the sea etc., that is, as in  </span><i>who was above the waters of the river& </i><span style='color:red'>? Isn t it true that such are typical Scriptural symbols for people, nations, etc.? And more particularly, the waters of a river? Aren t those waters typically running downhill, for instance as the river Jordan, meaning  descending, which is heading into the  Dead Sea? So we are reading about a people that are heading downhill until they reach the Kingdom of Death. But the man clothed in linen, was not in that river, he was above it and not a part of it, was he not? Now, remember always that Yeshua Messiah is forever to remain our guide and example, for us to emulate and to follow! So what is he doing? He is elevating both of his hands, is he not? He is using both of his hands on a higher level than he might have, is he not? And in which direction is he lifting his hands? Well, you got it,  </span><i>toward heaven...</i><span style='color:red'> ! But, what s the meaning of the Hebrew word we are seeing translated as  </span><i>heaven</i><span style='color:red'>? This secret is not commonly taught& Apparently it has been hidden, that is, sealed from the view of most people, has it not? Well, not only does it mean  </span><i>heaven</i><span style='color:red'>, just as translated, but, and probably more importantly, the very same Hebrew word is also the masculine plural of the word meaning  name, title, appellation, character, etc. In common modern Hebrew this latter word typically receives the feminine plural ending, but the overall Hebrew rule of grammar still prevails. That is, that which is naturally masculine receives a masculine ending etc.. When there seems to be an exception, there is typically a valid natural reason for it, albeit such reasons may be commonly forgotten or overlooked. Thus, the significance here is that said word pertains to the masculine names, not only of the Father in  heaven, but of fathers generally, that is, in contradistinction to such names as are typically under the trusteeship of the State, of a country, or of a nation, that is, of entities such as are generally treated as feminine entities in the Hebrew language. Thus, we are seeing in this very sentence a most important message, that we were just about to skip over while looking for something else more suitable to our own fancy. Indeed, it is all about God bringing His People successfully out of Babylon, not only as a matter of mere belief, but as a matter of fact, while effectively redeeming His title to each of the names of His own people, not excluding all associated collateral! And, yes, this does have everything to do with a most solemn thing. Thus the swearing of an oath& And it is not a temporary thing, this is a matter pertaining to  forever!  Even to the realities of  eternal life! <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - This is no small matter! Not a matter of minor importance! And the wonderful thing is that it is a reality that more and more people are beginning to realize for themselves in each there own here and now. Most especially, this is happing among Americans within the 50 republics, but I am convinced the same principle applies everywhere on this planet. Indeed, God has been guiding me towards realizing these things in my own life such that I have been able to redeem the titles to land, automobiles, and even my own body, such that no State or government voted into existence by people has any jurisdiction or claim any longer& Praise the Lord of Hosts, the One identifying Himself by means of words making it clear to us that He is, in a very very real and tangible way, the God of Freedom and of perfect Liberty! Cf. Exodus 20:2!]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Remember, the Book of Daniel had the same importance for the Old Covenant people, as the book of Revelation has for the New Covenant people. God gave these two books to His faithful believers to reveal His plan and actions to them. Both books contain promises as well as rebuke. The description of what the Man Clothed in Linen does here is very similar to how the mighty angel acts in Revelation 10:1-6. I believe both these passages describe Jesus Christ.<a name="_ftnref1"></a><a href="#_ftn1" title=""><span class=MsoFootnoteReference><span style='text-decoration: none;text-underline:none'>[1]</span></span></a> </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>So here is the crucial statement regarding  how long this  time would last. The answer is very clear:  It will be for a time, times and half a time. If this is literal time, it is 3½ years. Daniel 4:16, 23, 25, 32, etc. uses the word  time literally and  one time equals  one literal year,  seven times equal seven literal years, etc. This would imply that the  war mentioned in Daniel 10:1 just as the  war in Revelation 12:7-11 lasts for 3½ literal years. If this is the correct interpretation these 3½ years correspond to the Messiah s time of ministry, from His baptism to His death on the cross. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Not so fast, Toby! You re jumping to conclusions that do not hold up to reality, at least not in such terms as you may be thinking about! Although thus far you ve obviously refused to look at, consider, and/or accept the proof and evidence that I ve been pointing you to, it is still true that <a href="Newsletter02wLinksToToL.htm#RevisedCorrection001">the time</a> from the baptism of Yeshua, November 16, 15 CE, unto his crucifixion, April 22, 18 CE, is no more than about <a href="Newsletter03wLinksToToL.htm#RevisedCorrectionNo001">2 ½ years</a>, and thus your  if&  is falling flat on its face along with your presumptive conclusion re the duration of Yeshua s ministry. Yet, if you include also the message of John the Baptist, and the one associated with that message, yes, then indeed it is within the realm of possibility that that ministry did last exactly 3 ½ years, but thus far I have discovered no data showing an exactly dated event to that effect& Nevertheless, such an understanding of the term Messiah would be in accord with several passages in the Scriptures, including e.g. Obadiah 1:21 ( savior<u>s</u>; i.e. a <i>plural </i>word;) <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.wan.io/OTCh/Centuries1to7BCE/Daniel9vs4900days.htm#WhoIsTheMessiahThePrince">Daniel 9:25-26</a>; and Matthew 11:14 (cf. John 1:21!)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Nevertheless, we must not too narrow-mindedly limit ourselves to only one possible application of this or any prophecy of God! God is the Creator of multiple dimensions, indeed, all of them! Let s never forget that reality such that we become too bigoted or too fanatical while denouncing the value of others who may perceive more fulfillments than we do in certain promises of prophecies of God! Remember the 40 days vs. the 40 years in the desert and numerous other applications of the number 40 in the Bible!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Which is not to say that we should accept as true and valid such ideas or interpretations as are obviously not in harmony with truth and reality!]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>Prophetic Time</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Now someone may object and ask, shouldn t the three-and-a-half times indicate prophetic time? If so, 3½ times would be 3½ multiplied by 360 = 1,260 days, subsequently equaling 1,260 years! If a Bible passage gives a clear indication of prophetic time, of course, the Day-year Principle should be applied. But that is not the case in this passage!</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - That s a pretty self-sufficient statement of yours, isn t it?:  </span>But that is not the case in this passage!<span style='color:red'> It would be one thing if your own idea would hold up to closer scrutiny, but it doesn t, neither now with me, nor, I m sure, in the end with such as are pursuing things unto the real truth of the matter is ultimately and clearly being revealed to them& <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - There is a Swedish saying that might be applicable here:  Upp som en sol, ner som en pannkaka&  which translates to  Up like a sun, down like a pancake.. Do you see what I mean? A bit more of soft approach would probably be more appropriate, but then, perhaps I am committing the same type of mistake all too often& What do you think? Am I too being too cocky at times?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Consider how many times these numbers need to be calculated back and forth! It takes three different calculations to get prophetic time:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent: -.25in'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>3½ times&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =&nbsp; 3½ years</p> <p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent: -.25in'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>3½ years&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =&nbsp; 1,260 days</p> <p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify;text-indent: -.25in'><span style='font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>1,260 days =&nbsp; 1,260 years</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Do you follow me? We go from <i>times</i> to <i>years</i> to <i>days</i> and then back to <i>years </i>again! There is something we call the  Day-year Principle  but do we have biblical support to create a Year-day-Year Principle? It seems questionable to turn 3½ years into 1,260 years! I will devote a later newsletter to a detailed study of the so-called Day-year Principle. Let s go back to Daniel! The sentence that follows also indicates literal time. What happens at the end of the 3½ times? Daniel 12:7:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying,  It will be for a time, times and half a time. <b>When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed</b>. (NIV)</i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>The question in Daniel 12:6 was  how long will it be before all these astonishing things are fulfilled? We found that the answer to that question was three and a half years. But the word  fulfilled makes us focus on what will happen at the end of the 3½ years. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Again, if you were to do a careful word study in accord with one of the prime Bible study rules, you d find that the words  fulfilled (NIV) and  end (KJV) are both mistranslations of the corresponding Hebrew word. It follows that your own conclusions as based upon either of those words is falling flat on its nose, or at the very least, so it seems to me. Or isn t that obvious? Cf. <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/KJVRevisions/HebrewWordStudy-ketz.htm#Daniel12v6">this link</a>!]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>But there is more to the answer. How did the last sentence of Daniel 12:7 read? </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><b>Power Completely Shattered</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>It seems this is very important information. It says that the three-and-a-half times will end when  the power of the holy people has been finally broken. That is a unique statement! Some translations write,  When the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, (NKJV). So when is it that the power of the holy people will be completely broken or shattered and what people is the text speaking about? </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Well, since we are dealing with  holy people it must refer to faithful believers!</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Aren t you being a bit inconsistent here? Or isn t it quite clear from the passages you are referencing below,  </span>Ephesians 2:11-22, Romans 11:11-24, Matthew 23:37, etc.<span style='color:red'>, ] that is, in an apparent attempt of yours to support the above sentence, that the reference is definitely not  </span>to faithful believers<span style='color:red'>, but to the <i>apostate</i> Israelite nation, not to  </span><i>faithful</i> believers<span style='color:red'> ?]</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>If this sentence refers to New Testament end-time saints, as most interpreters seem to believe, there must be a time in the future when the power of the believers will be completely taken away. I hope that shocks you! Is that really going to take place? When will it happen  or has it already happened? Well, it is tempting to say that many Christians do live powerless lives. But that is not what this passage speaks about. The prophecy foretells that according to God s plan there will come a time when God will take His power away from the saints. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>If you think about it, we all seem to anticipate the opposite! Many believe that the power of the Holy Spirit will be poured out more and more as we get closer to the second coming! Furthermore, at His coming the saints will reign with Christ for 1000 years. That certainly sounds like <i>more power,</i> doesn t it, Revelation 20:4?</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Up to this point you seem to be referencing the same people, that is,  </span>faithful believers<span style='color:red'> or  </span>saints<span style='color:red'>, but from here on you seem to suddenly switch to a reference to an apostate people claiming the name, but without the corresponding genuine characteristics. Why are you doing that? This is not sound logic!]</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Some believe that this prophecy of 3½ times ended in 1798 A.D. I think it is difficult to prove that 1798 was the year when this  time of trouble ended and that 1798 was the year when the saints became totally powerless! Therefore 1798 A.D. (or any time in the future for that matter) does not seem to be believable options.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - In this paragraph the  saints that did lose their powers were by no means  </span>faithful believers<span style='color:red'> but could fit into the category of people being referenced as the apostate Israel within your below references  </span>Ephesians 2:11-22, Romans 11:11-24, Matthew 23:37, etc..<span style='color:red'> It follows that the event attributed to 1798 CE, as referenced in the last prior paragraph, is supportive of your below contention re who these people are, whereas in the above paragraph you seem to be using it for the purpose of disproving that these people cannot be the people defined above, that is,&nbsp; the  </span>faithful believers<span style='color:red'>. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - In effect, you seem to be using crooked logic such that in the end you are falling flat on your nose in this particular! I hope you ll recognize that?! But will you be willing to correct it???]</span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>Literal Time</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>However, if we take the 3½ years literally and continue to apply it as we have done in our study of Daniel 10-12, we find a simple and clear solution to this problem. Then the  holy people refers to the Old Covenant people and the 3½ years end at the cross. Then it all makes sense! </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Toby, my friend, isn t this a bit of premature presumptuousness on your part? A little bit like that which made for Nebuchadnezzar having to eat the grass of oxen for seven years?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>The power of God s  holy people was truly broken at the cross, Ephesians 2:11-22, Romans 11:11-24, Matthew 23:37, etc. This is confirmed over and over again in the last verses of Daniel 12, as well as in Daniel 8 and 9. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>The Old Testament prophets used the symbol of marriage to describe the relationship between God and His people. There were only two situations where divorce (the breaking of the marriage covenant between a husband and a wife) was accepted. One was adultery and the second was the death of one of the spouses. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>As we study the Old Testament we see how the Old Covenant people committed spiritual adultery over and over again for hundreds of years. But in His grace God did not use that as the reason for a separation or a divorce. His grace was and still is amazing! The other situation when divorce was accepted was the death of one of the spouses, Romans 7:2. When a spouse died separation was a fact. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Therefore, the divorce/separation happened when Christ died on the cross, in <s><span style='color:red'>A.D. 31</span></s><span style='color:red'> [18 CE.]</span> That was the time when the power of the holy people was  completely shattered or  finally broken. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Here you are again using oblique reasoning, that is, crooked logic, are you not?! Who died? Yeshua or the apostate Israel?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - If you re at all interested in the truth re  </span>A.D. 31<span style='color:red'>, how about facing up to me with your own unanswered questions re my claims of being able to bring you all necessary evidence to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that  </span>A.D. 31<span style='color:red'> was not the year when Yeshua was crucified? And ditto re the year for his baptism& ]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><b>Shall Be Finished</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>There is another phrase that deserves attention. The NIV says that at the end of the three and a half years, when the power of the holy people has been finally broken,  all these things will be completed. The NKJV has similar words:  all these things shall be finished. That resembles the words Jesus spoke just before he died:  It is finished, John 19:30. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>With this study we have seen that the three-and-a-half years should be taken literally. Thus, this time period began when Jesus was baptized and ended when He died on the cross. Again we find harmony with our previous studies. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Toby, I am sorry, but is this the best you can do? You seem to have drawn a firm conclusion, but from what? Your logic is crooked and your evidence stinks! That is, your evidence is brought out of the stagnant and putrid waters of yesteryears present truth!<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - If you really and truly wish to support your own contention re a literal 3 ½ years you certainly could do that. Indeed, I ve even provided for you some solid support for such a literal 3 ½ year fulfillment& Granted, it isn t exactly in accord with your proposed scenario, yet, it does bring forwards some valuable lessons for God s People that are alive here and now& If you are willing to be made willing to see what I mean?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>Daniel s Challenge</b></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Have you ever received some really bad news? It may have hit you so hard that you almost refused to accept it. At least it takes a while before it sinks in. But, gradually you realize that you need to accept the facts presented to you. We said earlier that Daniel was comforted by God s promise of salvation to those of Daniel s people who were faithful. It is easy to accept good news. But Daniel 12:7 was a tough message! Daniel realized that the final outcome for his people, the Old Covenant people, <i>as a nation</i> would one day come to an end. Listen to Daniel s deep concern in Daniel 12:8:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said,  My lord, what shall be the end of these things? (NKJV)&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><a name=Daniel12v8ReTheWordEnd><span style='color:red'>[ - You should notice that the Hebrew word </span></a><span style='color:red'>that is here translated  </span><i>end</i><span style='color:red'> is quite a different Hebrew word than the word being used in Daniel 12:4, 6, 9, and 13! Indeed, if you compare Strong s H319 with Strong s H310-312 you might notice that the word used in this instance is a common word meaning  afterwards as in  after these things&  That s not quite the same as the implications of the translator s  </span><i>the end of these things</i><span style='color:red'>, is it?]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>The good thing with Daniel is that he doesn t give up. He continues to ask for more information. This should encourage us to persevere in prayer. Daniel truly interceded for his people. He cared deeply for them and their destiny. That is why he was so persistent. At first, it looks like the prophecy would end with Daniel 12:7, because as verses 9 and 10 say the message was supposed to be sealed. But Daniel had asked a question. Let s read the answer he receives in Daniel 12:9-10:</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i>And he said,  Go your way, Daniel, for the words are <b>closed up</b> and <b>sealed</b> till the <b>time of the end</b>. Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but <b>the wise shall understand</b>. (NKJV) <o:p></o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Once again we are coming across this mistranslated word  </span><b><i>end.</i></b><span style='color:red'> Once again, may I suggest that you consider carefully the results of making your own Scripture word study as I have done? Cf. <a href="http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/KJVRevisions/HebrewWordStudy-ketz.htm#Daniel12v9">this link</a>!]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><i><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></i></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>We have concluded that  the time of the end refers to the time when Israel as a nation ceased to be God s Covenant people. Thus, this prophecy was unsealed at the cross! We can also understand what it means to be  <i>wise</i>. The one who is wise trusts in the Lord with all his/her heart and doesn t lean on his/her own understanding, Proverbs 3:5. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Toby, my friend, which one of those two categories do you identify with? Seeing your stubborn refusal to listen to the obvious facts of the matter, which facts I m doing my very best to make easily accessible to you, I find it hard to honestly place you in the category of the wise  even as much as I d love to do so???]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Because of Daniel s question, the prophetic information did not stop there but continues. His question in verse 8 gets a very detailed answer in verses 11 and 12 despite the fact that the words were  closed up. The answer was not to be understood at that time  but today, by God s grace and through the guidance of His Spirit, we should be able to grasp the message. </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:2.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><span style='color:red'>[ - Toby, my friend, I sure wish you d laid a considerably more firm foundation for your teachings thus far! Something that d provide for me more hope for looking forwards to something of lasting value& ]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>In the next two newsletters we will in detail study the answer to Daniel s question: </p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'> What shall be the end of these things?</p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'><span style='color:red'>[ - Probably more correctly translated  </span>What will follow after these things [pertaining even to Daniel s own here and now]?<span style='color:red'> Cf. <a href="Newsletter17wLinksToToL.htm#Daniel12v8ReTheWordEnd">above</a>!]<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:center'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>Toby Joreteg MD, PhD</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'><a href="http://www.tobyjoreteg.com/">www.TobyJoreteg.com</a></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><br clear=all style='mso-special-character: line-break'> </p> <div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <hr size=1 width="33%" align=left> </span></div> </div> </div> <p class=MsoFootnoteText style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><a name="_ftn1"></a><a href="#_ftnref1" title=""><span class=MsoFootnoteReference><span style='text-decoration:none;text-underline:none'>[1]</span></span></a> Revelation: Toby Joreteg, pages 156-157.</p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:74.7pt;margin-bottom: 0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal align=right style='margin-top:0in;margin-right:68.25pt; margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:1.0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;text-align:right'><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Without recourse. 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