Troubleshooter

How do you reconcile this with the death of Herod and the reign of Tiberius?

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pythons

That's a direct affirmation of the paradox. Just as William Miller was required to adopt calendation that moved the Sabbath so his understanding of prophecy would sync the current denomination is required to either mutate it's traditional understanding of Ellen White or dump Saturday as the Sabbath. This is a clear case of "either - or", not both.

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Dear Trouble Shooter,

First of all, you need to understand that the fundamental problem with conventional historical dating is nothing less than Ptolemy's Almagest and Ptolemy's Canon of the Kings. Ptolemy's works are almost universally used as the foundation for dating of ancient history. I have no reason to doubt that Ptolemy was an excellent astronomer. Unfortunately, I don't believe he was equally excellent as an historian or as a chronologist or even that he had access to a reliable kinglist. Additionally, you may recognize that many historians give reference to the death of Caesar Augustus when asked about the fundamental anchor for chronological and historical dating. However, as it turns out Augustus’ death is most likely itself based upon nothing but Ptolemy’s Canon of the Kings.

The one key to the solution of this problem with Ptolemy is found in another well recognized and known error, which error is that the total solar eclipse referenced by Phlegon (which per Phlegon occurred in the 4th year of the 202nd Olympiad) was the March 19, 33 CE total solar eclipse, which error probably was also based upon Ptolemy’s Canon. This total solar eclipse was only visible from Antarctica and how likely do you think it is that anyone reported and recorded that?!!! Yet, said total solar eclipse is even currently being used as a key anchor for the Olympic calendar. Fortunately, this problem can be recognized and corrected by each one willing to do what the Bereans are known for having done, i.e. per Acts 17:10-12. Of course, it is quite a tedious job to correct the many thousands of incorrect dates found in conventional history. But patience and perseverance makes perfect… Cf. Revelation 14:12!

Never forget, the one simple and very easy salvation of each and all problems: Only one step at a time! But remember!... So long as no steps in the right direction are being taken, there exist no salvation at all! The key is to be pro-active and not to merely wait passively for someone else to come and solve one's problems... That rarely happens!

Please do as the Bereans did! Begin by studying, for yourself, the fundamentals, that is, the beginning of each thing you are really interested in really knowing anything of substance about! May I suggest that you make it easy for yourself by carefully considering every detail and link at this web page of mine: adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.wan.io/OTCh/PtolemysCanonAndAlmagestQuestioned.htm or else treeoflife.uhostfull.com/TreeOfLife.wan.io/OTCh/PtolemysCanonAndAlmagestQuestioned.htm (Notice: For the link to work you must remove any and all spaces in the URL!)


That having been said, I will now give you the exact answers to your two specific questions:


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2.


But, again, don’t take my word for it! Do as the Bereans did!


Shalom,

Tree of Life ©

Troubleshooter

Jesus was condemned to death by Pontius Pilate.

Pilate was Roman procurator of Judea during the years 26 AD through 36 AD.

Either Jesus or Pontius must have had access to a time machine then...
...to have Jesus crucified in 18CE.

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Dear Trouble Shooter,


Or so you’ve been taught by the powers that be, haven’t you?

Once the one foundation stone or anchor for conventional dating is shown to be amiss, everything else follows… You can't change one and not the others. That's obvious, isn't it?:



But no doubt, if you do have a real interest in these issues you will learn to navigate my website on your own and without me spoon feeding you, won’t you? When you do, please notice that mine is a web site in progress, a rather large one. Some pages needs updating. For instance, this last one is referencing the year as beginning Tishri 1. The correct date for the beginning of the Scriptural year, as used also by Josephus and the New Testament authors, has since been discovered to be Tishri 22.



Shalom,

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Troubleshooter

What are the 'powers that be'?
Are you suggesting that there is a conspiracy to confuse historical dates?

Is some dark power messing with all our heads or just yours?

Exodus 12:1-2 "And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you."

What month did YHVH here tell the boys was the first month?

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Dear Trouble Shooter,


What a joyous and blessed day! The one that was. And the one that now is. Sunshine from a clear blue sky. No wind. Cold. The ice being visibly laid over ever enlarging areas across our beautiful lake, which lake is all along without the tiniest tendency to wind or wave anywhere all day. Then seeing the sun setting at 3 PM being immediately followed by a rising full moon at the opposite end of the sky. A wonderful sense of wellbeing and warmth from my stomach area after our vegan lunch consisting of whole grain spaghetti, crushed tomato sauce, cabbage, and fresh-milled flaxseed. Being able to do manual labor on the dock I am designing and building from scrap material that is being provided as needed by our Great Lord, our Creator, our Savior, our Father in Heaven. Then after all that, being able to sit down in a nice warm room and communicate with friends with interests related to mine, that is you my friend(s), and to such enjoying and most meaningful work as is being laid before me from day to day and moment by moment by my Great God and Guide through Life…

Thanks for being there Trouble Shooter! Thanks for doing what you do in pursuing the truth, what ever it may be that God lays before you!


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“The powers that be?”

Well, it's an expression I come across people using every now and then. To me 'the powers that be' are whoever they are and they do whatever they do. It may be you and me and each our contribution to that which is what it is... It may be the handful of central bank owners that basically own and controls the planet. It may be Satan and each one among living beings that blindly choose to do his bidding while thinking it’s either their own thoughts or thoughts acquired from reliable human authorities while in reality it’s nothing but fiction or baseless gossip that at best originated from some valuable and treasurable truth before being little by little changed into something else... Or, at times it may be an odd one standing up boldly for the truth of God in the face of any and all opposition from friend or foe alike… It might even be a butterfly winging its way from one flower to the next… It's any one and anything using each their God-given powers for whatever they choose to do, and whether for good or for bad, whether for things contructive or things destructive to life, health, happiness, joy, wellbeing, and all that which belong to the Kingdom of Heaven...



“A conspiracy to confuse historical dates?”

Well, yes. That’s a well documented fact of life. Certainly not widely published by the public media or by the powers that be, but the published proof is there for each and everyone who is willing to keep his or her eyes peeled when it is staring them in the face…



“Is some dark power messing with all our heads or just yours?”

All our heads. That is, to the extent that we allow them to do so, and to the extent we are not willing to learn from moment to moment whatever our Savior is desiring to teach us along our Way towards ever more specific truths essential for our lives and being.



“Exodus 12:2… What month did YHVH here tell the boys was the first month?”

Yes, indeed! That’s why most Karaites believe that the Babylonian/Persian calendar beginning with Abib/Nisan 1 is the beginning of the Scriptural year. Some call that year the ‘sacred year’ or the ‘ecclesiastical year’ in contradistinction to ‘the civil year’ that supposedly begin with Tishri 1 and Rosh HaShanah.

I used to believe and use stuff like that too, until I came across Exodus 23:16, which clearly states that the end of the year is the Feast of Ingathering, which is the same as the Feast of Tabernacles. Oh boy, was that an inconvenient discovery for me, after all the work I’d done on chronology over so many years. Having first of all to analyze to what extent anyone had been using such a year, and then, once having discovered that it was being used by both Old and New Testament authors as well as by Josephus, I had to review and correct and revise all my prior work accordingly… In fact, I have yet more work to do before being all done with that one…

So yes, “beginning of months” is one thing, “beginning of the year” is quite another… And yet, it only makes sense, very much sense. Just like the Seventh-day Sabbath at the end of the week, and just like the Seventh Sabbatical year at the end of a cycle of seven years, so also the end of the year at the end of the seventh lunar moon… before at the beginning of the cold and dark portion of the year that begins the year, paralleling the cold and dark portion of the sunset to sunset day…

If you wish to dive a little deeper into the Scriptural definitions for the beginning and end of the year you may study this little article of mine, which documents my own studies touching on that issue: adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/EndOfTheYear.htm or else treeoflife.uhostfull.com/TreeOfLife.lan.io/IFoundMannah/EndOfTheYear.htm

Because, you see, there is quite a bit more to it… And God isn’t finished with me yet…


Have a blessed and peaceful day in the Lord’s vineyard,

Tree of Life ©

jaman

I don't know where you are on this Planet, but I can paint a similar picture to your own.
Last evening at 9.00pm, here in Southern Australia, the image of a very large Orange Full Moon rising over a carm sea immediately after the Sun had set, was truly inspiring.

All Praise to YHWH for His mighty and wonderous Creation!

(Blue moon on the 31st Dec, once again proving to us that our calendar is wrong)

Tree of Life ©

Thank you Jaman,


Praise the Lord, him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters!

Considering that I am at latitude 60 N, where the sun is setting at 3 PM at this wintry season, and that you are in Southern Australia seeing the sun set at 9 PM, I get the impression that you should be located about 60 S, but… upon looking at my Google Earth I see that 60 S is about ¾ of the way south of the southern coast of Tasmania towards Antarctica. I don’t understand that. Is this an effect of Australian Daylight Savings Time or your position in the time zone, or what? Just wondering…

At any rate, praise the name of the Lord of Hosts!


Oooops, almost forgot... What's that "Blue moon on the 31st Dec..." thing all about?


Shalom,


Tree of Life ©

jaman

I am at aprox 38 S and my Sunset time was probably closer to 8.40pm (daylight saving time)with the moon rising from about 8.50pm onwards to be exact, but you get the idea, it was spectacular last evening.

"Once in a blue moon" is a term used to describe a rare occasion and it is derived from the term 'blue moon' which occurs when you have two full moons in a single calendar month, which according to my calendar will occur this year on the 31st of December.

Tree of Life ©

Thanks Jaman,


It feels good to be enlightened by such as knows things of value! I was familiar with the expression "once in a blue moon" as referencing a rare event, but I had no idea as to the reality behind the expression. Thanks again! Your insight surely makes that expression come alive in a way that it never did to me before...

Thanks also for clarifying your time and place. It feels much better being oriented x 3... Less confusing!

- Sometimes though, I feel like - and realize that - our planetary society is disoriented to time, place, and person relative to all such as belong to our Creator and to the Kingdom of Heaven... Most or all of it due to such as is fortold to us by Daniel:

Indeed, we are all - or most of us - not much better off than the classical Alzheimer's patients, are we?


...But it's time for me to go do some more work on my dock that I lifted up above the waters that were mirroring the first of two full moons in a Roman-Catholic calendar month... - while hanging it up in cords extending as it were, out of heaven...

BTW, re "cords out of heaven," did you ever read Ellen White's dream re the 'green cords' as found at {2T 594.1} at this link?: whiteestate.org/search/search.asp


Peace over your family and over your home,

Tree of Life (c)

pythons

What specific date do you suggest the passover fell on in A.D. 18. As in the month and day?

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Dear Pythons,



First a disclaimer:

I wish to emphasize that I am not suggesting that anything of God, Yahweh Elohim, the Creator of all, "fell... in[to] A.D...." any thing.

"A.D." is a term possibly originated and/or claimed as property of the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy, and I for one have no authority to transfer what is not mine into that domain, nor do I wish to.

That having been said, strictly speaking, and as reckoned astronomically, "A.D. 18" etc. should be more or less concurrent with "18 CE," etc., which "CE" denominator I prefer using.

Nothing I ever say, write, or do, is ever intended to transfer any rights into the Roman Catholic Church or unto her proprietors. My errors and my mistakes also remain mine, and mine alone. I do the best I can to correct my own errors. I cannot shoulder any responsibility for the use or abuse of that which is mine when used by another...




Second, provided you accept my terms:

Passover per Yeshua's reckoning: Day of Passover = "after [the first] two days [of the week]” (Matthew 26:2 KJV)" = from sunset "Monday night April 18" through sunset "Tuesday night April 19, 18 CE" ("Julian calendar") = the Third Day (of the week) Aviv/Nisan 13 (per the official Jewish calendar then in use) = the Third Day (of the week) Moon #1[/Aviv/Nisan] 14 (per Yeshua's reckoning and per the Scriptural calendar.)

Passover per the official Jewish calendar then in use: Day of Passover = "the preparation of the passover" (John 19:14 KJV) = from sunset "Tuesday night April 19" through sunset "Wednesday night April 20, 18 CE" ("Julian calendar") = the Fourth Day (of the week) Aviv/Nisan 14 (per the official Jewish calendar then in use) = the Fourth Day (of the week) Moon #1[/Aviv/Nisan] 15 (per Yeshua's reckoning and per the Scriptural calendar.)


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No doubt you knew my answer already from my links (cf. adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/NTCh/TimingOfTheEventsOfThePaschalPesachWeek.htm or else treeoflife.uhostfull.com/TreeOfLife.lan.io/NTCh/TimingOfTheEventsOfThePaschalPesachWeek.htm ) provided elsewhere in the far distance, or didn't you? ;,)

I am looking forwards to growing ever closer towards God's Kingdom and towards giving my Creator credit to an ever more clear title unto all such as pertain to "I, me and mine" while doing my best in standing up for the truth in the face of your challenges, be they what they may...



May we all live in peace with the truth as it really is, and with one another, as we each and together do our best in approaching our Creator on our way out of all that which is being represented by the word 'Babylon,' as also portrayed by the statue in Daniel Chapter 2,

Tree of Life (c)



PS. Allow me to commend you on your choice of placement of this posted question of yours. I find it interesting and very thoughtful indeed! Thank you for your honest interest! - If I may thus presume?




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pythons

Ok, fair enough. I just wanted to do my own calculations on it. Just pop it up after ready.

Troubleshooter

I find it somewhat anomalous that you make such an issue about AD v CE...
...and yet you use the day designations Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday etc...
...which are never used anywhere in the biblical documents.


I also find it curious that you have Passover (Nisan/Abib 14) falling on a Wednesday in 18CE...
...when Mark records the following...

Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath..."

The Greek is ‘prosabbaton’ , literally the day before the Sabbath.

Luke says something similar...

Luke 23:54 "And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on".


John's Gospel leaves little doubt about what is meant...

John 19:14-16 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour:...Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away."

John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day)"

These references indicate a seventh day Sabbath/Passover coincidence.

So you are saying that Nisan 14 was a Wednesday in 18 CE...
...and Nisan 15 was a Thursday.

I submit that your calculation contradicts clear scripture...
...unless you envoke a Lunar/Solar calendar reckoning...
...because in the Luna/Solar calendar Nisan 15 was always a weekly Sabbath...
...because the weekly Sabbaths always fell on day 8, 15, 22, 29 of the Lunar month...
...and don't try the 'Sabbath' was only referring to a feast day rubbish...
...it is very clear in Koine Greek that Sabbath means Seventh day Sabbath.

You are attempting here the same theological gymnastics that has produced the SDA's paradox...
...no wonder you have been unable to give me straight answers on this forum.

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Elffinagain

In the week of the passover there are TWO Shabbots, one in the MId point and the other on the actual Sabbath.

pythons

The "law of contradiction" has again been activated. What "Gregorian / Julian" day do you suggest the mid point Shabbot fell on. I.e. the Shabbot would not be drawing on but already "be in force".

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Dear Pythons,

I am not sure how to perceive your words "law of contradiction" and in what context? Perhaps you'd care to be a bit more explicit?

And also, if pertinent, would you please clarify for me how you would apply what you mean upon the crucifixion week as published by myself on the web? Or,
would it not apply?


Shalom,

Tree of Life (c)



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pythons

principium contradictionis: A proposition cannot be both true and false or that a thing cannot both have and not have a given property.

1 John 2,21: I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Original premise for the 2300 day / year prophecy requires a 31 A.D. Crucifixion for validation. "A lie can not be a truth" therefore, the Investigative Judgment requires the original time-line which validated it or it's simply false.

The specific events ( in heaven ) happened at a specific time, 22 October 1844 due to a very specific series of events and their associated numerology, i.e. prophecy is confirmed by numerology. The investigative judgment requires a 31 A.D. date for the death of Christ as I understand it and it certainly appears that either A) The date was "a lie" or B) The Biblical calendar was messed with.

In either case a lie is a lie, thus having people who believe a lie is a truth perpetuate that lie does not negate that they perpetuate, in fact, a lie. Therefore, claiming that what was taught that has been confirmed to be a lie is in fact a lie, it's not what has been called "present truth" ( a term indicating a previous lie was truth to those who perpetuated it ).

Think of it as a conceptual machine that was, ( and still is ) claimed to be operating until it had been proven that the frame which holds the whole machine together does not exist and never did exist.

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Dear Trouble Shooter,


This time I choose to make my comments by using red font within my quote of your post:



I am hoping that my comments may be helpful in clearing up a misunderstood thing or two...

As already claimed in my original disclaimer, I cannot shoulder any responsibility for your placing my words out of context, or for any consequences thereof.


As always though, I treasure your feedback. Thank you! - Without feedback there can be no dialog towards ultimate peace and understanding between parties, can there? Thus, to me all feedback is highly valuable - even when at times it smarts!



Shalom,

Tree of Life (c)




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See my post above!

I accidentally double posted and I can't seem to figure out how to delete my post...

pythons

I don't think you can delete it, a MOD will have to remove it. I've done it myself so don't stress about it....

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Thanks Pythons!

Tree of Life ©

Dear Trouble Shooter,

Please note that those seven items of that post of mine, that you have been responding to, all belong together as one. The seven items are a step by step process towards getting more light over one important item . . .

I am sorry if I didn't make that quite clear enough in my post that you are responding to

Shalom,

Tree of Life (c)